| cindy johnson |
| | Feb 23, 2006 | Reply with quote | #1 |
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I read about the Evans cherry in your column in Northern Gardener. Please tell me if there are local (Twin Cities) sources for this tree. Online, I see bareroot versions from New York and Canada, but I would prefer to buy locally. Help! |
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| Jim Kohut |
| | Feb 23, 2006 | Reply with quote | #2 |
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To Cindy and all others who have been flooding us with this question (I wonder if it had anything to do with the article Stefan and I wrote for the March/April edition of Northern Gardener  ), I've posted a common response in the "Ask The Expert" section - click here to view the response. I now have some great news to report  ! Bailey Nurseries has confirmed that the two cultivars 'Evans Bali' and 'Bali' cherry are in fact the same 'Evans' cultivar that has taken Canada by storm. So to sum up, here are the cultivars you should be looking for;
In Canada:
Prunus 'Evans' or Prunus 'Evans Foothills'
In the USA:
Prunus 'Evans Bali' or Prunus 'Bali'
Given that Bailey is wholesaling the plant, it shouldn't be too hard to find it in any prominent Minnesota nurseries this season. And for those of you who want to know more about this unbelievable plant, you can find further information in the Landscape Plant Search by clicking here.
Now every one of us across the Northscaping region can go out and get some hyper-productive cherries into our yards! And thanks for all the questions, we love to hear from each and every one of you!
Jim K. |
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| debi daniels |
| | Feb 23, 2008 | Reply with quote | #4 |
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the bali cherry sold at bailey nursery is the same (evans or bali) on top but it is grafted to the mazzard rootstock on the bottom, which makes it only marginally hardy (i think only -10 degrees or so. st lawrence nursery sells them , but the stock is really poor. some trees they sell are only 8 inches tall and 1/8 inch wide, while others are 3 feet tall and barely 1/4 inch caliper. they're really spindly, and on hardly any root. you can plant a 3 foot tall tree in a 3 inch pot, that's how much root that remain on the plant. the owner smuggled the tree across the border, " named " it after his daughter, then put a patent on it, as if he developed it himself. he receives royalties on tens or maybe a hundred thousand trees per year sold at bailey and other wholesaler nurseries. thats the type pf person you deal with when you purchase from st lawrence nursery. bailey keeps touting that they are hardy to minus 54 , but they are not, because they are on mazzard rootstock,(look it up) i talked to the head horticulturist about the misleading information, but ten years later, they still put out that same false statement, because well it sounds sooo good, and it really sells those trees. buy from northern fruits in palmer ak, or from dna gardens in i think edmonton, canada.. these are on own root. the dna gardens are 6 inches tall but they are prices accordingly, and come with about as much root as the spindly ones from st lawrence
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| Jim Kohut |
| | Feb 23, 2008 | Reply with quote | #5 |
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That's some interesting information, Debi. I was not aware that the American version of Evans had such a nefarious history! 
I can't speak to Evans being grafted onto mazzard rootstock, but that would not make a lot of sense to me. For one thing, Evans is a rather profuse suckerer, even at great distances. While this may alienate it from a number of the more "prim and proper" gardeners, it makes it wonderfully easy to propagate on its own roots. It also roots from cuttings easily, and it does well in tissue culture, from what I hear. So why bother grafting it? Unless, perhaps, it is to overcome the suckering issue? Besides, Evans roots are very hardy from my experience, while mazzard rootstock is most certainly not (this is a relative of the sweet cherry, with similar hardiness). As I said, this might be the case, but it doesn't make sense to me.
The other factor is that (again I speak from extensive experience), this is a most vigorous plant when it is young - it can easily put on 2 or 3 feet of growth in a year! Trust me, it does this for me! Now, if they are grafted onto a different rootstock, and the roots are then compromised in the transplant process, well of course that is going to stunt the plant's performance for a year or two - that is good ol' fashioned transplant shock in action.
I'm also surprised about Bailey being involved in anything untowards. We work quite closely with the folks at Bailey, and they seem to have quite a deal of integrity when it comes to their plants and their methods. Besides, why would the plant have to be "smuggled" into the US? There are many plants that are developed in the USA that are in commerce in Canada, and vice versa.
Unless there are some commercial restrictions at play (there have been rumblings about Evans threatening the commercial sour cherry industry in the US because of its extreme productivity and extended range of growth). But musings such as these are often best left for the conspiracy theorists...
Anyway, it makes for some interesting speculation!
Jim K.
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| Loraine Hamann |
| | March 04, 2008 | Reply with quote | #6 |
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We live in far North West Minnesota and have had good lucky growing various fruit trees....Our first 'orchard' were planted from potted plants...some were pretty pot-bound and with proper care grew well.
10 years ago we moved and started more trees...Our first plantings were from local bare root nurseries as well as some potted trees....all grew very well. Our second 'orchard' of 20 trees, planted over 3 years are apples, crabapples, plums, pears and Bali Cherry trees...all purchased from St. Lawrence Nursery. I was so impressed with their trees that I ordered for 3 years till our area was full.....The trees arrive at the proper planting time, packaged well, in good health and all have grown extremely well. The trees are smaller in stature, but I believe a smaller tree takes off better....Their prices are smaller too. The Bali Cherry trees come as 'own root stock'...no grafts on them....I ordered one each year....They grow extremely fast as do all of the Prunus family.
Last year was our first fruit from these Bali Cherry trees...the fruit was awesome, can hardly wait for this years harvest.. We also grow Nanking Cherries that we recently made wine out of...It is very nice and hope someday to make wine from the Bali cherries as well.
Looking at the SK Carmine Jewel as a future planting of cherries.
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| Jim Kohut |
| | March 13, 2008 | Reply with quote | #7 |
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I spoke with my contact at Bailey, and they say that all their Evans stock is grown on own-roots. So I'd try to get hold of Bailey plants if you can.
Jim K.
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| Kimberly |
| | March 24, 2008 | Reply with quote | #8 |
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| Jim--do you have any idea how large of a supply Bailey's has of the Evans Bali? Linder's had a tag for them last year, but every time I went and asked the nursery about them, no one had ever seen one there. So, do you have a recommendation for a nursery in the Twin Cities that will be stocking them? I found one in WI, but that seems silly to drive there to get one. Any info would be great. Thanks! |
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| Jim Kohut |
| | April 05, 2008 | Reply with quote | #9 |
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Hi Kimberly,
Unfortunately, we don't track nursery stock in any specific areas. So here's what you do. Go to Linder's, and ask them to special-order the plant for you. Tell them Bailey is a grower - everyone and their garden trowel in Minnesota knows Bailey... Linder's is a reputable bunch, and they should be able to special-order this for you.
It's customer requests and persistence, by the way, that helps shape what's on the garden store shelves in future years, so you have to be persistent and be heard!
Jim K.
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| Lorraine Hamann |
| | April 10, 2008 | Reply with quote | #11 |
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The Bali Cherry trees I got from St. Lawrence were far larger than 3 feet with nice healthy roots. They have survived in far North West Minnesota for up to 4 years now. Where they are located the snow usually blows off, so they are pretty exposed. This past winter it got to -27*F with down to -50*F wind chill...the trees are all budding out now. They had no grafts and I think were a great value for under $20...no complaints here...that's why I continue to buy from them and encourage others to give them a try.
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| Hans Hansmann |
| | Dec 06, 2008 | Reply with quote | #12 |
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I don't know what all that rant was against St. Lawrence Nurseries; I've done business with them for eight years now and have been nothing but pleased. They've replaced the (few) trees that died without question, and the three Bali cherry trees I bought six years ago are almost seven feet tall with a full crown, and have been bearing cherries for three years. This past year a late frost cut my harvest to almost literally, a handful of cherries, but the year before I got almost ten one gallon ice cream buckets full of really wonderful fruit. One thing, that year was pretty droughty later in the summer, and the cherries were wonderfully sweet, worth eating out of hand with excellent sour cherry flavor, (what pies we had!). Don't hesitate to buy from these folks.
P.S. I live in East Central Minnesota and the Bali's I own have survived minus 24 degrees Farenheit without one bit of damage. The only problem I've had is staying on top of pruning them they are such vigorous growers.
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